PHILIPS VR2024 clone repair

Ook op TV en videogebied heeft Philips diverse hoogstandjes op zijn naam staan. Denk aan VCR, Video2000 en de diverse onverwoestbare TV chassis. Al het tele-gebabbel kan hier plaatsvinden!

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28 aug 2022, 16:12

ctr 2022 is compatible with 2024 so probably no problem. would have been strange if the working machine was dropped in the attic 30 years ago with wrong parts in it.

just let it thread in a few times and the grease will spread, you can see where it makes contact with the moving parts. if the carts run smoothly without stuttering its okay.

normally it would wake up after changing the battery and removing the smoke bomb. :think:
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28 aug 2022, 16:31

gromsound schreef: 28 aug 2022, 16:12 just let it thread in a few times and the grease will spread, you can see where it makes contact with the moving parts. if the carts run smoothly without stuttering its okay.
I've tested it with a tape now and it works flawlessly! :dance: :dance: :dance: Truly a work of art! :clap: Not comparable to the GRUNDIG shit machines. :naughty: Wow, I'm really stunned. :D Just removing 2 things, some cleanup and new grease. So easy! Grundig VCCs bring a new problem each time you turn the damn thing on. I never switch back to Grundig machines ever again. :lol: :pray:
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29 aug 2022, 17:08

good man :D
how is the image?

i will not claim they never go wrong, but they are surely robust. especially when run regularly. have fun!
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29 aug 2022, 18:20

gromsound schreef: 29 aug 2022, 17:08 how is the image?
Thanks. I've only tested the image with a small handheld TV from CASIO (image looked good) but I will connect it to a TV now.
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29 aug 2022, 19:17

Okay, I've connected it to a TV and the picture looked good so far, though now it is behaving a little weird - it doesn't respond when I press a button until I turn it off. Also: the STOP button LED flickers slightly until it either turns off or goes to normal. It also turns on again if I want to turn it off (cassette tray down) but not with tray open?!

I think it may have to do with the capacitors not really loaded up (or the missing battery on CTR), so I'll leave it unplugged for some time and then turn it on, wait some time, and test it again further.
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29 aug 2022, 20:47

as i said before without a battery or a 1000 mu capacitor in that place the logic will not work properly. :roll:
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29 aug 2022, 22:18

gromsound schreef: 29 aug 2022, 20:47 as i said before without a battery or a 1000 mu capacitor in that place the logic will not work properly. :roll:
Well, I know it works mechanically now though. If I get the time, I'll install one.

Next thing I'm working on is the N1700. Starting with installing the new belts.
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18 sep 2022, 04:23

So, I found a 1000uF 25v Su'scon capacitor, which I desoldered from an old sattelite receiver (early 90s no name brand). Should still work properly. Don't know for sure though. Is that a fitting size? Just want to check. That's the only one I could find in my repertoire which has 1000uF and is small enough. Other ones are bigger (50v etc.). Could be a problem that it's too old? Otherwise I need to buy one.
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18 sep 2022, 08:03

You can use it
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20 sep 2022, 22:16

I've fitted the capacitor now and after some time the recorder went back to life! Sadly, I didn't take any pictures of it built-in, but I used tesa film to secure it safely and used some cables I took from an old PC fan to connect it to the back big solder points still left of the two metal things. I removed them before as I was a little unsure about whether it will connect nicely. But, I think I did a good job and if I take it out for some reason again I will post pictures as this was a pain to install. :D :D :D Thanks gromsound and others for the help! The N1700 is working too now by the way! Also got a great picture as the 2 machines were rarely used. The VCC was cheaper though - I got it for 15€. :dance:
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21 sep 2022, 14:18

gratuliere Herr Videot Kollege! you will get the hang of it after a few of those repairs. just read the instructions carefully and do what it says. have fun with it!
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21 sep 2022, 19:53

gromsound schreef: 29 aug 2022, 17:08 good man :D
how is the image?
image quality is pretty good for VCC! not so noisy like the Ghhhrundiigs
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gromsound schreef: 21 sep 2022, 14:18 gratuliere Herr Videot Kollege! you will get the hang of it after a few of those repairs. just read the instructions carefully and do what it says. have fun with it!
thanks! I think I might get another one. This was quite easy to repair
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21 sep 2022, 21:01

Oh dear, there is another Gromsound here now? :mrgreen:
As ut neet kapot is moi ut niet maak'n!
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22 sep 2022, 17:34

there is only one Gromsound and according to my colleagues and old car-friends that is more than enough :lol:
party on, DTF heads!
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24 sep 2022, 03:39

phelissimo_ schreef: 21 sep 2022, 19:53 thanks! I think I might get another one. This was quite easy to repair
So, only 2 days later the happiness isn't so big anymore. It started to bring up some new issues.
Basically the recorder went to a stadium, where it works but also doesn't work.
First, it takes ages to function properly when I first turn it on in the morning (after being plugged out over the night). It takes at least 2hrs after startup until it plays, FF, RW, stops and ejects again nicely. (Remember, I have the capacitor installed, so I guess it shouldn't be like that? The clock is kept though, so the capacitor seems to hold it's current?) Often it just doesn't respond to any key press at all at first until I wait so long or it just ejects the tape door right after I try to close it, so no playback is possible and other such anomalies. Or, as mentioned on the site, it starts to try to record when I put a tape in. I accidentally put a good tape with interesting material in it and it at least recorded over 200 counter rounds. :( :angry-banghead: :angry-jumpinganger:

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(By the way, how can I convert these to minutes nicely? I once wrote a windows cmd batch program for my Betamax recorder which has a similar counter to convert it, as I find it easier to see where I currently am on the tape, especially when looking for the end of a movie.) 
Luckily just at the beginning, but I'll hope there was nothing too important at that tape location. But after the wait time, it often works pretty nicely again for at least another 2hrs when it starts to bring up those issues again, even if it was playing a tape just right before.
Is that normal behaviour? If not, should I try to reset the logic? If yes, where are those pins mentioned on vcctips2 for the 2024? I can't seem to find them (blind as always :shifty: )
Or should I just try looking if (my rather botched) capacitor mod is still intact, first, if that causes these problems?

And sorry for asking all the time, I just want to do everything right on this machine as I couldn't find any similar Stereo model on german eBay for a good price right now. :shifty:
Betamax SONY SL-C40ES, VHS PHILIPS VR850, VCR N1700, VCC PHILIPS VR 2024, GRUNDIG 2200, GRUNDIG 850, :techie-ebay:
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